This lesson comes from a conversation I had with Steve Veale on The Learning to Lead Show.
What if the most important leadership work you do isn’t on your to-do list?
Sit with that for a second. Because if you’re like most leaders I know, your calendar is packed wall-to-wall with meetings, deliverables, and deadlines. You’re doing leadership — or at least what looks like leadership from the outside.
But here’s what I’ve learned: the most important leadership work happens in the spaces between the tasks. In the one-on-one that runs long because someone’s carrying more than a work problem.
In the team meeting where you choose to celebrate a win instead of rushing to the next agenda item. In the decision to invest in culture even when you can’t measure the ROI on a spreadsheet.
Here’s the brutal truth: you can hit every metric and still fail at leadership. You can execute flawlessly and still lose your best people. You can grow an organization and still build a culture that eventually implodes.
That’s why I wanted to share what I learned from my conversation with Steve Veale, executive pastor at Westridge Church and one of the most thoughtful culture architects I’ve met.
Steve has spent nearly three decades building something that started with four families and a whole lot of faith into an organization serving over 10,000 people. But ask him what he’s most proud of, and he won’t talk about the growth numbers. He’ll talk about the culture.
What Steve has learned in the church world applies directly to every leader reading this, regardless of industry or org chart. Here are six of his most powerful lessons.
Twenty-eight years ago, Steve and three friends from Liberty University moved their families to Dallas, Georgia, a small town outside Marietta, with all the passion in the world and not much else.
None of them had been in the roles they were stepping into. Steve had never led worship ministry. Every one of them was learning on the fly.
“We’ve got all the passion in the world. We just had a ton of passion and a lot of energy and drive and faith. Just not much experience.”
From those raw beginnings, Steve has served as worship pastor for 13 years, helped launch new campuses, and now serves as executive pastor. Along the way, he’s learned what it means to lead when you can’t command, to motivate when you can’t pay, and to build culture that inspires mission rather than just managing tasks.
What struck me most wasn’t Steve’s tenure. It was his ruthless commitment to what actually matters: people.
“People matter to God, and so they have to matter to us.”
That conviction, simple, profound, and lived out daily, is where every principle in this chapter begins.
Here are six of his most powerful lessons.
Here’s a trap that catches leaders at every level: expecting from others what you’re not willing to give yourself.
Demanding passion you don’t demonstrate. Requiring commitment you don’t model. Preaching values you don’t live.
Steve learned this early. Looking back, he’s remarkably honest about what he got wrong, especially the assumption that everyone around him would be as passionate as he was.
“I can’t lead where I won’t go. I can’t say one thing and do another at any level.”
If you want your team to prioritize family, you have to model healthy boundaries. If you want them to invest in professional development, you have to be a learner yourself. If you want them to care about culture, you have to tend it personally rather than delegate it to HR.
The standard you walk past is the standard you accept. And the standard you demonstrate becomes the ceiling for your team.
Reflect: What are you currently asking your team to do that you’re not demonstrating yourself?
Close that gap this week.
Here’s what’s fascinating about Steve’s context: he leads thousands of people he can’t pay, promote, or discipline in traditional ways. His organization runs on volunteers. So how do you lead when positional authority is irrelevant and transactional incentives don’t exist?
“It’s all about influence. You’re not using your authority, you’re not using your money. What you do have is your mission and your vision and your values.”
Sound familiar? Because even leaders with positional authority eventually discover that real, lasting change never comes from command and control. It comes from people choosing to follow because they believe in where you’re going.
Steve emphasizes that you have to become a constant student of your mission. A lot of organizations have a mission statement that just sits there, framed on a wall, then never referenced again.
Steve says if you asked his team about him, the one thing they’d tell you is that he talks about the mission and vision all the time. Not because he’s repetitive, but because mission is the magnetic north that keeps everyone oriented when daily chaos tries to pull them in a thousand directions.
This is the paradox: when you focus primarily on results, you often don’t get them. When you focus primarily on people, the results tend to follow.
Reflect: If you removed all your positional authority, would your team still follow you?
What are you building your influence on — your title, or your genuine investment in people?
One of the most powerful moments in our conversation was when Steve described how he talks to the facilities team, the people who clean toilets and prepare the space before thousands arrive each weekend.
“They are preparing the temple for worship as much as the worship leader is preparing the heart for the word. Every time you clean a toilet, you are pushing the ministry forward.”
Stay with me here, because this is leadership gold: helping people see that what they do matters, even when — especially when — it seems invisible or unglamorous.
Steve’s team tells parking attendants and door holders that most people decide whether they’re coming back before they ever walk into the worship center. “You never know who is walking in your door and what they have dealt with that week.”
This transcends church leadership. In every organization, there are people doing essential work that goes unnoticed. The admin who keeps chaos organized. The IT person who solves problems before anyone knows they existed.
They’re often invisible when they do their job well, but catastrophically visible when something goes wrong.
Great leaders make the invisible visible. They connect the dots between someone’s daily tasks and the organization’s ultimate mission.
Reflect: Who on your team is doing essential work that goes unnoticed?
This week, tell one of them specifically why what they do matters.
Steve is relentlessly intentional about culture. Not because it’s trendy, but because he’s watched what happens when you’re not.
“It starts at the top. Culture bleeds, and it runs downhill. If I can have a great culture among those I lead and model that, they’re gonna lead that way to the people they lead. And all the way down it goes.”
Here’s what that looks like in practice. Steve starts every one-on-one by checking in with how people are actually doing, not just their work, but their lives. He’ll tell you plainly that there are plenty of one-on-ones where he had a list of things to get through and they never got to it. Because somebody was having a hard week.
His team also gathers twice a month with intention.
Once a month is “staff church," a time where the staff gets to actually experience worship without working.
They laugh hard. They compete in crazy competitions. They publicly recognize each other through value awards.
“I want those meetings to be the highlight of their month. I want them to feel seen. I want them to feel cared for. I want them to feel challenged. I want them to feel sent.”
This isn’t soft leadership. This is strategic leadership. Because when you invest in culture at the top, it cascades through every level of the organization.
Reflect: Do you have regular, planned touchpoints that prioritize people over tasks?
What would it look like to design your next team gathering around people instead of an agenda?
“Everything happens at the speed of trust,” Steve says simply. “Everything moves at the speed of trust.”
In Steve’s world, if people lose faith in the mission or leadership, they stop giving their time and money. In your world, if people lose trust, they stop giving discretionary effort, loyalty, and innovation. Trust is the speed limit on everything.
“You’ve gotta believe what you’re saying. You’ve gotta live out what you’re telling other people to live out.”
Trust is built through consistency between words and actions. Through following through on commitments. Through being honest even when it’s uncomfortable. Through caring about people as people rather than as resources.
But here’s the part most leaders miss: trust is also built by helping people trust themselves. Steve talks about working with leaders who are more shepherds at heart than natural leaders, people who struggle to get out of the weeds.
Part of his job, he says, is to help them trust their gift and their role. “You do what only you can do.”
Steve’s conviction is blunt: if you don’t have trust, you are working exponentially harder to get anywhere.
Reflect: Where is trust eroding right now? What specific action can you take this week to rebuild trust in one key relationship?
“If you’re not self-led, you can’t lead others,” Steve says plainly. And then he gets vulnerable about what that actually looks like.
Steve isn’t talking about productivity hacks. He’s talking about leading from health rather than from hurt. When you’re carrying unprocessed pain or dysfunction into the room, it eats your bandwidth long before you ever start the meeting.
For Steve, the key practice has been a relationship with a mentor nearly 20 years his elder, someone Steve can tell anything. He calls this person a conduit of truth.
“A conduit protects what’s flowing through it. If you don’t have a conduit that can protect what’s running through it, then you’re not gonna put anything important through it. You’re gonna hold back.”
But here’s the critical distinction. “I tell people he’s a safe place, but he’s not a safe place. He’s safe as far as I can tell him anything. But where he’s not safe is he’s not gonna agree with everything I say and just tell me I’m okay. He has the freedom, and he takes it to tell me the hard thing that’s gonna hurt.”
Steve had to seek that relationship out. He tried it with others first, and it didn’t work; they weren’t willing to ask the hard questions. His advice? Be tenacious. Don’t stop until you find that person.
Reflect: Do you have a conduit of truth in your life, someone safe enough that you can tell them anything, but not so safe that they’ll just affirm everything you say?
Steve and three friends planted a church 28 years ago with more passion than experience. They were, by Steve’s own admission, “the ignorance-driven church” — they didn’t know what they didn’t know.
But what they lacked in experience, they made up for in commitment to the principles that actually matter: investing in people, leading from health, building culture intentionally, and giving people a mission worth showing up for.
Today, that church serves over 10,000 people. But the numbers aren’t the point. The point is that Steve has learned to lead through influence rather than authority, to motivate through mission rather than money, and to build something that matters by caring deeply about the people who make it happen.
Leadership, Steve taught me, is ultimately about people. Not as resources to be deployed, but as human beings who matter. When you invest in people, when you make them feel seen and valued and connected to something meaningful, they will move mountains for you.
Every time you check in on how someone’s really doing, every time you celebrate a win instead of rushing to the next agenda item, every moment you invest in culture even when you can’t measure the ROI — you get a little further down the road. And the people following you get further too.
That’s not a small thing. That’s the whole thing.
Pick one principle from this list, just one, and put it into practice this week. Not all six. Just the one your gut already knew you needed when you read it.
Maybe it’s closing the gap between what you preach and what you practice.
Maybe it’s telling a behind-the-scenes person on your team exactly why their work matters.
Maybe it’s designing your next team gathering around people instead of an agenda.
Maybe it’s being tenacious about finding your own conduit of truth.
Whatever it is — take the step. Then come back next week and take another one.
That’s how cultures that inspire mission get built. One intentional decision at a time.
You can do this.
Good to Great — Jim Collins (Steve returns to the flywheel effect again and again — do the right things in the right way and momentum will eventually carry you forward.)
The Awe of God — John Bevere (A challenging book for people of faith that goes deep on experiencing God at profound levels.)
Secrets of the Secret Place — Bob Sorge (A daily devotional that pushes readers to engage at deeper levels.)
Find a Conduit of Truth — a mentor who is safe enough to be vulnerable with, but not so safe that they only affirm you. Steve says this relationship has been more transformational than any book.

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